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    The Importance of Quality Photographs!

    It really makes no difference what the specific venue is; the importance of quality photographs for online coin purchases cannot be understated. We have all seen an E-Bay auction listing with a coin that we need for our collection, but the photos are so bad that we simply can't bring ourselves to bid on the coin. I have run across some online retail dealers with photos that are so bad, I won't even bother purchasing the coin on approval because I think their photos are an indication of their overall performance as a dealer. Even some auction houses (eg DLRC) have consistently poor photos. Heritage is the undisputed leader in the numismatic auction business and their photos are also the best in the business. However, sometimes I see Heritage photos that are so bad, I can hardly believe that they took them. Here is an example from the most recent 2010 Central States Sale.

    Jefferson Nickel 1942-D NGC MS67 6FS (Pop 13/0)



    Jefferson Nickel 1942-D NGC MS67 6FS

    If I were the consignor of this photo, I would have demanded that either the coin be re-imaged prior to bidding or the lot be pulled from the auction. You can't see any of the details of the surfaces because the photo is so underexposed and the reverse photo is not even in focus. The only reason the photo is better than a typical E-Bay seller photo is that it was taken with professional equipment. The only coin I was really interested in this auction came up in an earlier thread here on Coinforums.

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    Since I was outbid on my coin of choice, I decided to give this coin another look. After studying the photo for a very long time, I concluded a few things. The steps appeared to be 100% full and I was not worried at all about the 6FS designation. The luster seemed good from the photos and although there could be hidden minor ticks, I did not see any major marks which would cause the coin to be overgraded. The concern was that I had no idea what the coin was going to look like in hand. The eye appeal could be great or terrible and the color was also a complete mystery. In then end I gambled with a strong bid of $750 hoping for a beautiful coin. Here is what I received.




    It makes you wonder if the coin would have reached a higher price if my photo was used instead of the Heritage photo! If anyone has a story about purchasing a coin with a poor seller's photo, please let us know about it here.
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    Lehigh, that is a nice one.
    One question though.
    What is going on with the "E" in Monticello?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmoneyeagles View Post
    Lehigh, that is a nice one.
    One question though.
    What is going on with the "E" in Monticello?
    I just assumed it was the result of a grease filled die. The rest of the reverse strike and details are so good that it cant be related to die state.

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    Both "O's" look a little off too, but I guess it could be an ole' grease filler.
    I'll post my big photos, before and after, tomorrow You know which one it is lol
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    Let's add another coin to this thread. I mentioned in the OP that DLRC has consistently poor photos. That statement was not entirely true. While their images are consistently poor, they are not photos, they are scans. I can't understand how a company of their size is still using scans. Simply pathetic! I recently discussed this coin in the NEWPS thread in our Jefferson Nickel group but also wanted to present it here. The coin is a fantastic 1948-S Jefferson Nickel PCGS MS66 FS. Below are the DLRC scan and my photos.





    This coin sold for less than both PCGS price guide ($265) and average auction archive price ($218.50). This coin has gorgeous shades of iridescent chartreuse, lime green, and strawberry magenta that dance on clean satin surfaces. A few minor marks on Jefferson's coat limit the grade but this coin would have very good chance at an MS67 grade in an NGC holder IMO. At the very least it would be an MS66+ and possibly a star. The steps are a solid 5 full steps and I am confident they would grade as full steps at NGC. Using the quarter step method, I grade them 6-5-5-5.

    The DLRC scans give you no chance to evaluate the steps which is essential since the full step designation commands such a premium. Furthermore, they do absolutely no justice to the incredible toning and eye appeal displayed by this piece. Another example of how a seller left money on the table by offering a coin for sale without proper photographs.

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    Been a little late since I posted that I would post this one 'tomorrow' lol
    Anyway here it is, best judgement of photos I've ever had before.

    BEFORE:





    AFTER:



    A totally different coin.
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    Obverse slab pic above is crap, where is it from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesh View Post
    Obverse slab pic above is crap, where is it from?
    The seller on eBay.
    I bought it for full retail at $150, and I know that I could turn a profit easily on that one!
    Seller scan's=Hello good deal!

    I even showed it to Paul before I bought it, and I got the green light. Always nice to get Paul's approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmoneyeagles View Post
    The seller on eBay.
    I bought it for full retail at $150, and I know that I could turn a profit easily on that one!
    Seller scan's=Hello good deal!

    I even showed it to Paul before I bought it, and I got the green light. Always nice to get Paul's approval.
    The funny thing is that if the seller had provided a close up of the steps, I would have purchased the coin. I knew the color was going to be outstanding but without full steps, the $150 was still too high for such a common coin like the 1943-D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lehigh96 View Post
    The funny thing is that if the seller had provided a close up of the steps, I would have purchased the coin. I knew the color was going to be outstanding but without full steps, the $150 was still too high for such a common coin like the 1943-D.
    Well if he has a toned coin worth considerably more than an un-toned example, and all he does is post scans that don't showcase the color of the coins, there is no way he would post close-ups of that coin.
    I wonder what the sale price of the coin will be when I go to sell it (not any time soon).
    One thing is for sure. It'll be more than $150
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