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    Identifying a Russian Wire Coin

    I dug a coin yesterday that I have just started to reseach (see photo). So far, I have learned that it is a Russian wire coin, hand stamped from silver wire. They were made in the time of Peter the Great and earlier. I am trying to determine if it is a Peter the Great coin or if it is from an earlier Czar. Also, I am trying to identify the date range of the coin. Any help is appreciated. By the way, I dug the coin in Dumfries, Virginia USA in a colonial house site that also produced a 1773 Virginia half penny.


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    I just learned from calgarycoin.com that the coin is from Tsar Mikhail Feordorovich. He ruled from 1613 to 1645. The mark below the horse is an M mint mark for Moscow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relic Hunter View Post
    I just learned from calgarycoin.com that the coin is from Tsar Mikhail Feordorovich. He ruled from 1613 to 1645. The mark below the horse is an M mint mark for Moscow.
    Hiya Relic, welcome to the forums. I am sorry you didn't get any response from us sooner. Do you know how they identified the coin, was it the writing or recognition?

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    The coin was identified based on matching script on the coin with the name Czar Michael and his title. Because part of the writing on the coin is cut off due to off-center strikes, it's a matter of matching key letters or words since the entire name and title rarely appears. Here's more of a description about the Russian wire coins from Educationalcoin.com:

    Wire Money was a type of early Russian coins that were produced from 980 AD to 1718.
    For hundreds of years much of Russian commerce was based on these tiny silver coins. The
    coins were struck by taking a piece of silver wire, cutting it to the proper weight, then it
    was smashed it between a pair of dies by a strong-armed Russian. The coins were inscribed
    on the obverse side with the Czar's name and his titles in Old Russian script. The complete
    inscription is often partly cut off. The reverse of the coins show a horseman with a spear.
    As might be expected, the coins are quite crude and are usually struck partially off-center.

    About Czar Michael:

    Following the death of Ivan the Terrible, Russia fell into a period of almost 20 years chaos
    and civil war called "The Time of Troubles". In 1613 The Council of All Russia elected the
    16 year old Mikhail Feodorovich Romanov as Czar in an effort to bring an end to the
    fighting. Many expected him to fail, but the young Michael slowly pioneered his control
    over Russia and wisely avoided involvement in the wars of Europe. By the time of his
    death in 1645 he had founded the powerful Romanov dynasty, which was to last over 300
    years, until the Russian Revolution in 1917.

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    The coin was identified by matching letters and words on the coin. Czar Michael and his title are spelled out, but since the coin is struck off-center, some letters are missing. Here's a description of the Russian wire money from Educationalcoin.com:

    Wire Money was a type of early Russian coins that were produced from 980 AD to 1718.
    For hundreds of years much of Russian commerce was based on these tiny silver coins. The
    coins were struck by taking a piece of silver wire, cutting it to the proper weight, then it
    was smashed it between a pair of dies by a strong-armed Russian. The coins were inscribed
    on the obverse side with the Czar's name and his titles in Old Russian script. The complete
    inscription is often partly cut off. The reverse of the coins show a horseman with a spear.
    As might be expected, the coins are quite crude and are usually struck partially off-center.

    Here's more on Czar Michael:

    Following the death of Ivan the Terrible, Russia fell into a period of almost 20 years chaos
    and civil war called "The Time of Troubles". In 1613 The Council of All Russia elected the
    16 year old Mikhail Feodorovich Romanov as Czar in an effort to bring an end to the
    fighting. Many expected him to fail, but the young Michael slowly pioneered his control
    over Russia and wisely avoided involvement in the wars of Europe. By the time of his
    death in 1645 he had founded the powerful Romanov dynasty, which was to last over 300
    years, until the Russian Revolution in 1917.

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    Hi Jesh. Cool specimen. Yes, the legend is what determines the tsar, grand duke, etc. The problem is many of these coins are so off-center, or poorly struck, that it makes identification difficult or impossible. Here's one of mine from Mikhail Romanov. Although the reverse was off-center, enough of the legend was available to make a proper ID.


    RUSSIA (MOSCOW)~AR Kopek 1613-1645 AD

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    Thanks for helping out on this, Zantetsuken. You really know your world/ancient coins

 

 

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